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The Great Al · Jun 24, 2005, 01:29 AM // 01:29

the two spells are very similar, i use fireball because the casting time and recharge is less, although meteor does knock down anyone it hits and costs 5 less energy...both deal the exact same damage...which do you use?

dansamy · Jun 24, 2005, 02:09 AM // 02:09

I've always used fireball cuz it's quicker.

Dreamsmith · Jun 24, 2005, 02:42 AM // 02:42

I'm alergic to spells with gigantic casting times and recharge times. These are the useful (non-enchantment) spells under Fire Magic: Fireball, Flame Burst, Immolate, and Lava Font. There may be one or two others you could make a case for, if you're really desperate for a fifth or sixth fire magic spell on your skillbar, but hey, don't you have a secondary class or second element to play with? Certainly there's something better you can do with those slots than devote them to skills that take an eon to cast and forever to recharge. I mean, Meteor is pretty cool and all, but I'm not devoting a slot on my skill bar to something I can only cast twice a minute unless it has some long lasting effect.

Sanjinu Dalsworth · Jun 24, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31

I would say they are both good to cast rapidly.I happen to use Phoenix and Meteor sometimes fire ball,over all it depends on the battle, if it is a boss,if it is PvP,ect...They are both powerful spells

Aalric · Jun 24, 2005, 06:01 AM // 06:01

I use neither. Fireball is expensive and doesn't do a lot of damage, and neither does Meteor. Meteor Shower, though...

Arcanis Imperium · Jun 24, 2005, 08:23 AM // 08:23

When I was still using Fire Magic, I just used Flare and said the heck with those two. Flare is so spammable, it makes up for its lack of power.

silvertemplar · Jun 24, 2005, 08:47 AM // 08:47

I just combine spells like Meteor Shower with Arcane Echo and then you bypass the recharge quite easily [although you might have an energy problem].

Alodarn · Jun 24, 2005, 10:01 AM // 10:01

I use Flare, Meteor, Firestorm and Meteor Shower currently.

But then that is pve, for pvp I wouldn't.

Current tactic is to wait for the warrior to bunch up the critters and then I let rip, he's W/N so fires off suffering and other aoe to pull them in for me, works like a charm

Currently in the Southern Shiverpeaks, so fire is a good attack to use on the natives.

When I move out to the Fire Isle, I'm going to switch to water, then I guess Air for pvp.

john little · Jun 24, 2005, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Actually, i find the fire AoE quite good in tombs (don't play arena's), since there is a NPC you have to guard/attack and this makes AoE quite useable. It can also be used to control where the opposition is going, so gives you a bit more control over the battlefield than an air ele.

Meteor is a useful way to try and keep people in the AoE range, and is also great for killing that last fleeing monk in PvP...fireball is nowhere near my skillbar (unless my N/Me arcane thieves it).

momo2oo2 · Jun 24, 2005, 11:29 AM // 11:29

When I was on fire (sorry, but I can't tell it better

) I used mostly:

- Fire Storm for AoE, casted to the first foe when calling targets as I use to do, so it was casted before the foe noticed we were there (I think its range is a *bit* more than the area where you are noticed by mobs). This was sometimes wasted by an allie rushing into the mob

.

- Flare: spammable and costless, combined with Arcane Echo its great

- Lava Font: AoE, semi-spammable

Fireball was sometimes in my bar, only if I needed one more ranged spammable skill.

I know there are missing a lot of Fire spells, but I switched to air as soon as I got some decent air skills.

Don't know if it helps, but seeing the skill effects, I try to avoid any skill that causes Exhaustion, even when Meteor knocks. As always, it depends if you are PvE, PvP, 1 or 10 mobs at a time, etc. There's no way to say "Meteor is beter"

Mavrik · Jun 24, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

I usually cast Immulate on an enemy, then hit them with fireball to finish them off with a few hits. Or for tougher enemies, meteor shower or firestorm, then immulate while they are being pounded by raining fire, and then a couple casts of fireball. Works well for me.

Volarian · Jun 24, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Is Arcane Echo an Ele elite I missed on the list of Ele skills? I don't see it anywhere

Have to keep in mind that Lava Font/Inferno and the like are for enemies adjacent to YOUR location so hopefully no Ele's are getting in tight with high end mobs (unless of course they're already engaged by our friendly meatshields).

I prefer in PvE, Met Shower, Fireball, Phoenix, Firestorm, maybe Incendirary Bonds, Inferno/Lava Font, Mist Form or Ele Attunement. Fireball and Phoenix do splash dmg, and an Ele in PvE groups....AOE is what you're goal is primarily....even in the Ring of Fire areas. Hell with a Meteor Shower, Fireball & Phoenix combo I turn hordes of Flesh Golems to ashes rather quickly!!

momo2oo2 · Jun 24, 2005, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volarian

Is Arcane Echo an Ele elite I missed on the list of Ele skills? I don't see it anywhere

Nope sorry, its a Mesmer skill:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/337-arcane-echo

rii · Jun 24, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

You know there are a lot of air eles around.... wouldnt 5 meteors be more effective.... its more damage and a knockdown :S?

Kishin · Jun 24, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by rii

You know there are a lot of air eles around.... wouldnt 5 meteors be more effective.... its more damage and a knockdown :S?

Most likely not, because the Air Eles are using a chain of skills to deal their spike damage, whereas Meteor is only one spell. The Lead off ele casts Surge, then Orb, then Chain Lightning or Lightning Strike (or both) and everyone else chips with Orbs, Chains and Strikes basically.

Fire doesn't have enough effective single target spells to really compete in that department.

Volarian · Jun 24, 2005, 06:39 PM // 18:39

Quote:

Nope sorry, its a Mesmer skill:

Well then I need to change my secondary

Quote:

You know there are a lot of air eles around.... wouldnt 5 meteors be more effective.... its more damage and a knockdown :S?

Also remember that things like Meteor, Met Shower, Firestorm can be rendered ineffective it target moves...which is likely to happen if someone notices the cast.
Where as the chain spells mentioned with Air Eles don't matter whether your moving or not, especially Chain Lightening as it's going to nail 3 targets and definitely the primary moving or not.

StiffLaxer18 · Jun 24, 2005, 11:33 PM // 23:33

In PvE when its single targets i spam immolate and fireball currently, the recharges time up perfectly and u can do immolate, fireball, immolate with almost no delay. if they get close i spam lava font. if its large groups of hard baddies i use firestorm, pheonix and meteor storm depending on the need. its all situational

Deathlord · Jun 25, 2005, 02:25 AM // 02:25

How come nobody noticed/mentioned meteor has Exhaustion. Heck, you can't spam meteor unless you feel like having 30 max energy after a minute. Also, flare is not useful because spamming isn't about alot of low damage skills, it's about a chain of good ones. If you have backfire on you and you take 120 dmg everytime you cast flare, exactly how good is it to you? Would you sacrifice 120 hp just to do 25 dmg to something? Also, meteor shower in PVP is not always as good as meteor. It might do more damage, but it's solely area based. Meteor can strike a moving target, meteor shower cannot.

Drakron · Jun 26, 2005, 01:06 AM // 01:06

Meteor Shower seems to be a bit bugged, its supposed to hurt everyone (allies, neutrals and enemies) and I seen warriors beating the crap out of a enemy as it being hit by a shower and the warriors appears to be taking no damage ... not to say I even walked into one and was not hurt.

AoE zone is pretty small too.

As for PvP ... the battlefield becames a mess and you dont get a warning someone is casting it unless you are locked into him and reading the info window and in PvP you are looking for the monk, not the elementar ... add the knockdown ability and the fact its main use is against spellcasters (since its keeps then fallen in their ass and by nature they are not moving much) its quite usefull.

Fireball charm is its have splat damage so its useful against people standing near each other.